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Most poorly researched players in FM11

Discuss which players have the worst representation in terms of attributes, CA, PA
Started on 6 January 2011 by Pep
Latest Reply on 12 January 2011 by godsgifttoearth
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So, looking through some players in FM11 I often get frustrated that they dont seem to be at all how they are in real life, whether it be in terms of wrong attribute distribution or too low/high PA/CA.

Who are most poorly researched players in your opinion. Too get things going:

Jack Wilshere: Agreed that he is exceptionally difficult to pin down as he is young and is played all over by Arsene, however, I dont think I have seen him play once in a AMC position this season, so why is he a natural here? He should be MC. Too low PA aswell.

Gareth Bale - Well, ok maybe he came good too late for it to be reflected in the game, but his attribute distribution is all wrong. Crossing, pace and stamina all too low and espcially finishing!

Aguero - FM seem to have an obsession with making him absolutely awesome. There is no way he is almost as good as messi, like his stats reflect.

Joe Hart - Why so eccentric?

Paulo Henrique - He is called Ganso!!!!

Does anyone else think that FMs system or working out player stats based on the previous 3 years needs tweaking? At least it does for younger players who develop much more rapidly than that. E.g a young player might spend 2 years on the fringe, developing, used as a sub then explode on to the first team in the 3rd year. (E.G bale, wilshere). FM will under estimate him as it has to look at the previous years...
You're absolutely right, mate. Furthermore, it's very annoying when the potential
is tweaked according to the player's development in real life, in every new version
of FM. It should be made harder to reach, not change it every once and a while e.g.
A guy plays in the Serbian league and has a potential ability of 140. If he makes a
transfer to a more prestiged club and league and plays well (in real life), then in the next FM he will have a PA of 160. But that's just judging bad.
He should have the PA from the start, but fix the game engine to make it harder
to reach his potential in lower leagues (according to his personality,coaches,facilities).My point:
The PA is always the same, some guys reach it early in their career, some guys late
and many of them never get there.
And that is something SI must develope.
You do realize, there are millions of data stored in the database of the game, don't you? Not only players, but also staff, clubs, stadiums, competitions, agents, media, etc...

So it would be very unfair to judge SI for this, as nobody, at least me, expect 100% success. No scout in this world have the ability to forecast what is behind a player's potential.

You, I and almost everyone posting at this forum have been so playin the game by the help of Fm Scout, that we forgot how hard it is to spot a player with high ability as well as a high potential.

Also this kind of topic is always open to discussion since quality should be regarded as an objecyive issue.

At least that is how i think.
My cousin is a professional footballer who plays in australia. Called Wayne Wallace, they have his birthday wrong on the game ;)
I'm not judging SI (i would be an ignorrant fool judging a game, i dedicated so much time of my life), i'm just saying there's always room for improvement.
As to quality: it is objective, but up to a certain level.
What i was proposing in my previous post was this:
If you have opened the official pre-game editor many youth players(mostly)and staff
have a potential ability ranging from -10 to -1. When the game starts it gives them a PA 1-200 according to that number (-10=170-200,-9=150-180,-8=130-160,...).
What if ALL the players had a PA of -1 to -10 kept in the game?e.g.
A player like Messi would have a PA of -10 and when he played at Barcelona under the right circumstances he would fulfill a 190-200 ability, but if he played for a greek club, he could only fulfill an ability of 170-180.
that's what i'm saying
(anyway, good point Kurt)
# Kurt : So it would be very unfair to judge SI for this, as nobody, at least me, expect 100% success. No scout in this world have the ability to forecast what is behind a player's potential.

You, I and almost everyone posting at this forum have been so playin the game by the help of Fm Scout, that we forgot how hard it is to spot a player with high ability as well as a high potential.

I completely agree on this. But let me point out a few more things based on actual incidents.
For example at the start of the season my team Paok didn't play very well (and truth be told this is not our season still) so the supporters went to talk with some of the players.Zlatan Muslimovic told them that he was not well due to the war going on in his homeland.
No scout can predict that.
Also there are examples of players who have night walker habits like Sidney Govou, Sergio Koke and many more.
No scout can predict that.
And finally there are also cases reported of footballers having their juices sucked dry by women their own clubs have thrown them. And we all understand that if a footballer scores a hat trick in bed the night prior to a match day, the next day he won't be able to drag his sorry carcass from the side of the bench to the middle of the bench.
If someone finds a scout that can predict these things bring him to me. I'd sell my frickin' kidneys to pay him to work for my team.
its always been like this with FM. tbh i think with the money SI make now a days they could afford to get some real scouts to do some research for them.

attributes will never be 100% accurate obviously. some seem like they have gotten 100% correctly, some its like they have never seen the player play.

but you can always make small changes yourself with the editor.

PS: a lot of people forget that many attributes are linked together, so even if someone has 10 in finishing but 20 in composure and concentration, he will be very good at finishing. for an example that is.
You all do realise that it's fairly easy to make adjustments to the database, right? In fact, if you want, we can start a thread and vote on the attributes, change the abilities and create a custom DB for free download. I can't do it by myself because I don't have enough knowledge of all players worldwide (or even of the Premier League, which I follow more than other leagues).

In fact, I intend to make some changes the the attributes of the players, based on how I perceive them, for my next game.
Slightly off topic because it's not FM11, but I remember a major piece of scouting go wrong. Peter Prospar in an old Championship Manager. He appeared as a 17 year old with super stats, about the level Wayne Rooney has now. In reality he was a 30 something player who was nothing special. Anyone else remember him?
Anyone remember Mika Aaritalo from FM 2008.
One can never poorly research Finnish players. ;)
There is also this thing. I searched for a right back in my Djurgarden game. Dont remember the name, but he had all the stats for a right back above 12. But my 15CA 16PA scout gave him half star. I thought your attributes would depend on your CA/PA?
# cefthym : You're absolutely right, mate. Furthermore, it's very annoying when the potential
is tweaked according to the player's development in real life, in every new version
of FM. It should be made harder to reach, not change it every once and a while e.g.
A guy plays in the Serbian league and has a potential ability of 140. If he makes a
transfer to a more prestiged club and league and plays well (in real life), then in the next FM he will have a PA of 160. But that's just judging bad.
He should have the PA from the start, but fix the game engine to make it harder
to reach his potential in lower leagues (according to his personality,coaches,facilities).My point:
The PA is always the same, some guys reach it early in their career, some guys late
and many of them never get there.
And that is something SI must develope.

well as far as I am concernd there isn't one visible attribute in the game that can not be improved purely through training, regardless of current level... this means that every players PA shuld be infenite really... i mean, if you look back to the time of Pele or Maradona or Eusebio or such... they would all easily be regarded 200pa, 20 in all key attributes and so on, DURING thier time, how ever, say a guy like Agbonlahor who has 20 in pace and acc, what happens when a faster player comes a long ? As well as many players today are better then the old ledgens, but not "a head" of thier time... anyway, my point is this: there is no limit for how good a player can be, and if he goes to train with the best trainers and players in the best facileties, you will be able to reach a higher level compared to whats POSSIBLE at a lower level club, thus, PA shuld increase!
# l3nnart : well as far as I am concernd there isn't one visible attribute in the game that can not be improved purely through training, regardless of current level... this means that every players PA shuld be infenite really... i mean, if you look back to the time of Pele or Maradona or Eusebio or such... they would all easily be regarded 200pa, 20 in all key attributes and so on, DURING thier time, how ever, say a guy like Agbonlahor who has 20 in pace and acc, what happens when a faster player comes a long ? As well as many players today are better then the old ledgens, but not "a head" of thier time... anyway, my point is this: there is no limit for how good a player can be, and if he goes to train with the best trainers and players in the best facileties, you will be able to reach a higher level compared to whats POSSIBLE at a lower level club, thus, PA shuld increase!

Its true you can increase any attribute, but it is up to the player whether he is able to, even in the best of environment. Suppose this, Not every player from barca's academy becomes a good player. Individual skill is always important even in the virtual life.
# redalert : Its true you can increase any attribute, but it is up to the player whether he is able to, even in the best of environment. Suppose this, Not every player from barca's academy becomes a good player. Individual skill is always important even in the virtual life.

well yes, it is up to the player himself, but fact is, and will allways be, that your genetics can allow you to easiley become better in certian areas, and also make it more difficult, but never the less, a player with no talent at all, can become good giving that he trains hard enough and in the right way, the only limit really is time

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