TAA Very Much! 433 By ChrisP tweaked by RDF
This tactic plays with a more controlled mentality, with both his full backs looking to effect the game higher up the pitch, both central midfielders looking to add some solidarity whilst the box to box has the license to roam and striker on being the main source for goals. This meant his side can be offensive.
Both fulls backs do act differently. The right back is the more traditional wing back whilst his left back will be very attacking. The idea behind this is so the tactic can form scoring opportunities and not be to predictable.
Both central defenders have different roles too, he has one set a BPD, to launch more counter attacking balls when its on, the other central defender has the role of being just a central defender and being safe in possession of the ball.
His two wingers are asked to be inside forwards, cut inside to either provide a scoring chance or score themselves. But one is more attacking than the other. The RW also shares the responsibility of scoring goals with the ST, as the LW must be able to get back as well to help the full back. Effectively to protect the the roaming box to box midfielder too.
The two central midfielders will move around. One of these central midfielders will be more aggressive (attacking) than the other. The box to box will look to get forward to support attacking players and move into channels whilst the central midfielder will look to stay in midfield but when in possession will aim to drag defence with him by running wide with the ball.
The lone striker, will look to stretch the play by moving into channels, making it impossible for defenders to deal with. The box to box midfield and striker will always look to the stretch the oppositions defence.
Lastly, the DLP! The diving force of the team. As the playmaker, He looks to collect the ball from deeper positions to control the teams tempo. He is asked to sit in front of the defence to protect and help prevent any counter attacks.
This tactic plays with a high line and higher line of engagement. The aim was to close down the opponents as soon as possible and to squeeze the midfield making it difficult to play through.
Video Analysis
Tactic Tips
- Main Tactic - use “TAA Very Much Laaa 300620 RDF”
- For BIG away matches - use “TAA Very Much Laaa 300620 RDF BIG MATCH”
- When you are struggling to break down defence - use “TAA Very Much Laaa 300620 RDF against Defence”
FM20 Test w/ Lille OSC
Discussion: ChrisP's 4-3-3 Tactic for FM20 tweaked by RDF
20 comments have been posted so far.
A full back on Automatic duty with a Postive team mentality will behave EXACTLY THE SAME as a full back on normal support duty.
It doesn't matter what the PI's say under the Automatic duty, they are overridden completely by one of the three main duties dependant on the mentality.
That is why in my very first post I said there's no point having an automatic duty if there's no intention of changing the mentality at any point.
Maybe, it is supposed to get forward because that what the supporting duty does but that's not what is happening in game, therefore maybe something to be looked at. But i chose that duty because watching, he was not constantly getting forward like it did on Support
I don't create & release tactics, no. What I aim/try to do is help players who want to learn tactics and the ME themselves rather than using someone else's tactics.
Of course I have my own tactics for my own game(s) which I'm content with but I don't post actual tactics, no.
@Si49 do you create tactics, if so where can i find them? be interesting to see what tactics you've come up with your vast knowledge of the game
Let's take Automatic mentality back to it's bare bones. You tell me what you believe it does. We can then go on from there.
Regarding the roles, yes I know them, I know what they do. Why do you think I recommend role changes for formations? For the fun of it? I've studied every role in game and how it interacts, I do it for every FM incarnation. It's the very base of my tactical decisions. Do I know more than everyone? Well no, clearly not. I didn't actually programme the game.
Let me ask you this. How can you confident say a player role will do something for you if you don't actually know how it reacts in the game? Each role is hard coded to react in some way, the pi's give you an inclination to it but as with most instructions given for FM you have to delve way deeper to actually understand the role & what it does in the ME.
does NOT matter the idea behind the role, they way WE are using it works for us. IT is VERY simple. We DO NOT want the RB to be getting further forward when in possession. We also DO NOT change the mentality so it works for us.
So yes, using Automatic changes duty according to your teams mentality, WE ALL KNOW THIS, BUT when using Positive mentality and Automatic, this allows us to have more flexibility with the RB, we can ask him to get forward IF we want, BUT we do not want that...
So basically, you know more than everyone? LOL okay mate, you're going to have a hard time communicating with people if that's how you are going to act. YOU DO NOT know how every role will act by just looking at instructions, that is impossible, stop trying to play God. Because you are here telling me what role to use and why i shouldn't be using YET it was more successful using it this way, how does that make sense? hours of testing, with different roles, we find using Automatic works better and you can clearly see how good the RB performed, but of course, you are right
cheers
So yes the automatic role doesn't have get further forward coded//ticked but with the team mentality you have selected the role is actually support and the support PI's are what is used. The automatic PI roles you see do nothing.
If you look at the actual pi's on the automatic role when selected it has defend, support or attack in brackets, this is based on your team mentality. If you change the mentality from positive to attack, for example, the automatic role changes from support to attack and picks up all the attack pi's.
The idea behind automatic roles when introduced years ago by the games creators was for the player to be changing their mentality for the situation during matches (This is what the AI/oppo do themselves). Theory being give some positions who have great in game fluctuation a default role to enable the team mentality to drive the PI's and not have them change every time to defend, support or attack.
The same automatic role in used for the CM position/role & from memory it was for the AM role back in 2010 time but was then removed as that role didn't really require defend.
Regarding the roles. Yes I know what they all do. That's called game research. I can advise any role for any particular formation to potentially improve the base set up. That is why I recommend changes to formations initially based on the roles I see selected.
One thing I have failed miserably in achieving on FM20 is a performing AMC. Except of course on the ME-breaking tactics with a SS behind an AF which I despise. It would be very interesting if you could create a 4-2-3-1 with an AMC that performs consistently and effectively. I believe this would be the utmost challenge for FM20! Looking forward to that!
You know the roles inside out? lol really, so you'll know how every role/play will act without actually playing with it? Because that just wouldn't be possible. You may understand the roles, but you won't know how it effects the tactics with all the instructions used unless you play with it
And figure you out? am i supposed to know who you are?
On the right wing back being on Automatic. I think you need to go read what automatic does again. It picks up your team mentality. The balanced and positive mentalities give the position a support function, he will behave exactly the same. As there is no intention to change the mentality (Which is actually what the Automatic role is intended for) then there's no point picking automatic.
Regarding the roles, I know them backwards, I know them all inside out in huge detail. I know how each role fits in to a particular shape and what each role does as opposed to what it was designed to do in some cases.
Whilst I completely agree with your comment over the roles not being perfectly needed to carry out a desired shape they are potentially crucial to the fine points required to manage in game situations. The very same in game situations that players actually need to learn to maximise the value of the tactical engine.
I'm available in PM to discuss further if you like.
For now, as you don't seem to like my comments for some interesting reason, maybe you have figured out who I actually am, I will refrain from posting on your tactics.
"Not sure what the right back is doing on Automatic, if we are keeping the mentality as Positive then he's on support duty, just make him support." it is literally the same thing EXCEPT with automatic, "get further forward" isn't coded. so using automatic, like i say in the video, it offers the option to be a little more solid. You are just picking at stuff, maybe we can talk about creating a tactic rather than this
Not sure what the right back is doing on Automatic, if we are keeping the mentality as Positive then he's on support duty, just make him support. The right winger could be better suited being IW or Winger with the WBS as the latter won't naturally overlap unless individually instructed.
The left flank is fine, it's relying on the DLP a lot for cover but I get it. I'd possibly switch the B2B to the right CM position & get a BWMD/CMD at left centre mid to help cover the more attacking flank.
It's still too attacking for my liking, I'd like four defensive duties in there by default but being Positive rather than Attacking mentality helps the team not get too far up the pitch early in attacking transitions.
As expected the Out of Possession TI's are very ME breaking. Kind of used to that now though so no biggie.
I don't like all criticism, of course, but i do take it on board. .... A man of my small stature hasn't seen enough...so i have to keep working
Though i'm not the creator, i am prepared to take any criticism haha i'm used to that by now, but as long as the tactic works, it only fuels me to create/tweak more
Cheers.