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Poll: Sunderland 'Til I Die

Sunderland challenge
Started on 6 April 2020 by HenrikHansen
Latest Reply on 1 May 2020 by jahendricksi
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How many seasons will it take? (4 votes)
Once again I was tipped to go straight back down at the beginning of the season and wondered if I should alter my tactic to fit the new league. Ultimately I stayed with what I had used the previous season (the 4-1-4-1). I targeted a mid table finish, making the 4th-5th round of the FA Cup, making the knockout rounds of the European League, and possibly sneaking out with the League Cup.

Unfortunately I was knocked out of the League Cup in the 4th round by Stoke. In something of a pattern Sunderland played to the level of their opponent, and I played down to Stoke’s level and despite outshooting them 30-4 we lost on penalties.

For the League we started poorly, taking only 7 of our first 18 points. Then starting in October we played out of our skin and topped the league on New Years. However, we came crashing back to earth and was down in 6th place (with a game in hand) for two months before sneaking up to 3rd on the final day, guaranteeing Champions League football for next season. Our playing to the level of the competition doomed us as I would beat Liverpool (1-0), Man City (4-1), or Man U (2-1) but drop points to Sheffield Utd (1-0), Huddersfield (1-1), and Burnley (1-1). I am not sure why but I have never had such a streaky team on FM.

In the FA Cup I once again was tough and made it to the Final in an attempt to retain the trophy. It did not go that way at all as I was thumped 3-0 by Liverpool, who won a League-Cup double.

The Euro Cup went surprisingly well as I topped my group (Napoli, Frankfurt, Rosenborg). My first match in the knockout round was in the 2nd round where I was paired with Napoli, who finished 2nd in my group. I beat them 5-1, Ajax 4-2, and Arsenal 2-2 (away goals) on my way to the final against Real Sociedad. I won that match 2-1 in extra time with James Munro getting the brace.

I should discuss my outgoing transfers as there were some doozies. I sold off Isaac Lihadji to Milan ($45M) and Tommy Smith to DC United ($7.5M—I needed the non-EU spot) in the summer and wonderkid Noa Chauveau to Brighton ($23M) in the Winter window (not sure why they paid so much for Chauveau as I had never started him and his stats were only OK). The winter window also saw me get rid of Jordan Rhodes, whose contract I was not going to renew, for $1M to St. Mirren. Stephen Kingsley went to Saudi Arabia for $13M, $10M above what I would have paid for him. Note to managers of 2nd tier teams: do NOT sign Jordan Rhodes. He is frequently injured and had 10 goals and 4 assists in 45 matches for me. While that might be OK for a midfielder it is not for a striker.

You’ll note I sold him to St. Mirren in Scotland, who should not have $1M in the bank, let alone in transfer funds. It is because I had purchased James Munro, he of the Euro Cup heroics, from them two weeks earlier for $2M. He was quite worth it as I rotated him and Stephy Mavididi at Striker and they combined for 37 goals and 8 assists in 59 matches. After 3 seasons my strike force was finally good and with a combined age of 42 had a bright future ahead of them at Sunderland.

My last major transfer (I am not counting Kyle Bartley) was Angus Gunn from Southampton for $9M. I figured McLaughlin was not a Prem/Euro quality keeper so spent large to get Gunn on $40k/week wages, double my next highest earner (Aiden McGeady, who elected to not retire until after this season). He was worth it as he finished with 23 shutouts in 60 matches, although he was shaky in high pressure matches (see the 3-0 drubbing by Liverpool in the FA Cup final).

Notes on this challenge for those that might like to try it:

1. if you are concerned with the Club’s finances in League One and again in the Championship that will go away in the Premiership. I was concerned my skyrocketing wage bill would doom me (it increased 50% from the Championship --> Premiership), which prompted my sale of Lihadji to make sure I had enough cash in the bank. Nope, I never experienced a negative earning month as I always seemed to make money at the ticket booth or TV. I am sitting on $312M in the bank and haven’t received TV money for next season.

2. Do NOT sign Jordan Rhodes or Zach Clough as your strikers—not good enough and Mavididi scored more league goals in one season (32) than they scored combined across all competitions in their 4 seasons at the club (29). It was not an issue of formation or personnel—they just weren’t good enough.

3. I strongly recommend signing Stephy Mavididi, Isaac Lihadji, and Liam Bridcutt. The first two are phenomenal goal scorers you can get (and pay) cheaply: Mavididi ($750k, $7.5k/week) from Juventus and Lihadji (free, $8k) from Marseille after the 1st season. Bridcutt adds some steel in the heart of your midfield and while he will pick up a lot of fouls (and cards) his toughness and leadership was reflected on the other players’ performances.

4. I said this in another thread, but scout Scotland for young talent. I got Regan Hendry for $300k from Raith and he had 19 goals and 11 assists in two seasons from midfield. James Munro is the phenomenal newgen striker that Scotland seems to produce every game the 2nd/3rd season and while he cost $2M the return on value was outstanding: 14 goals in 12 matches.

Having finished the challenge now (2 lower league titles, 3 cups including the FA Cup and Euro Cup, a 71% win percentage and finances and position secure) I will post screenshots of the season. I have the files saved if someone needs to confirm the veracity of my claims.

Henrik, this was very enjoyable. Thanks for this challenge!










Note on the Game Status saves: I had to update my version to 20.4.1 so saved it outside my standard 3-4 weeks pattern. I also played this over 3 days instead of one mammoth session so had to save before going to bed each night. Lastly, there was a forced Microsoft update that caused me to either save or lose my game.
Update since season 4 and the European Cup Final game, were I lost in penalty.

I'm gonna make it short: I will tell about my season 5 and 6. Then i will update on the current season 7.

Season 5, I decided that I had to invest in better players, here are season 5 in and out transfers:

Summer in:
Angel Gomes - 20 mil £
Dean Henderson - 5 mil £
Domagoj Bradaric - 7 mil £ (Croatian)
Mateo Depoorter - 14 mil £ (Belgium, New gen player, Striker)
Allan - 28 mil £ (Brazilian, new gen player, Right back)
Josh Dasilva - 16 mil £
James Garner - 2 mil £
Oliver Skipp - Free Transfer

Winter in:
Jordan Henderson - 4 mil £

Summer out:
Mattheus Pereira - 5 mil £
Kristjan Lovric - 8 mil £

Winter out:
Lynden Gooch - 600.000 £
Ben Sheaf - 300.000 £

Early exit in Carabao and FA Cup.
Had my best PL ever, finished 3rd and qualified directly to Champions League.



Season 6:

Summer in:
Dwight McNeil - 15 mil £
Kyle Walker-Peters - 7 mil £
Karamoko Dembele - 20 mil £
John Egan - 6 mil £
Ben Woodburn - 5 mil £

Summer out:
Josh Onomah - 1 mil £

Winter out:
Herbie Kane - 12 mil £

Reached the final in Carabao Cup, lost against Liverpool.

Reached the final in FA Cup, had the chance to finally win this challenge, but of course, I was facing Liverpool and lost.

Finished 4th in Premier League and another season of Champions League.

Reached the first knockout face in Champions League.
And now, my season 7 and hopefully last one.

I've decided to stick with my team for the summer window, therefor this is the transfer update for this season. 2025/2026

Summer in:

Summer out:


Winter in:
Aaron Ramsdale - 15 mil £
Matthew Gibbins - 35 mil £ (English, new gen, right back)
Mason Greenwood - 16 mil £

Winter out:
Eddie Nketiah - 18 mil £
Harry Cochrane - 8 mil £
John Souttar - 4 mil £
Dean Henderson - 6 mil £
Bali Mumba - 1 mil £
Denver Hume - 2 mil £
Allan (The new gen Brazil, right back) - 45 mil £


Champions League group with; Barcelona, Dortmund and Lille. Finished 3rd with 10 points.
Lost in first knockout stage against Leverkusen after winning 1-0 home and was leading 0-1 in the 88' minute on away. But 3 goals conceeded in the last 5 minutes, gave me an early exit.

Carabao Cup eliminated in 4th round to Crystal Palace.

FA Cup eliminated in the quarter final against Arsenal.

So, all there is left is the Premier League. And it is going very well. Who would have thought???

Let me get to it. Currently I have played 30 games now. And the standings is:


1. Sunderland - 75 points (30 games)
2. Man United - 72 points (31 games)
3. Liverpool - 71 points (31 games)
4. Arsenal - 70 points (30 games)
5. Chelsea - 65 points (29 games)

So nothing is won yet, however my last 8 games is a good program.

Sheffield United - Home
Norwich - Away
Bournemouth - Home
Tottenham - Away
Everton - Away
Chelsea - Home
Brighton - Away
Aston Villa - Home

So, the goal is easy. Win the last 8 games, be crowned as champions of England and win this challenge in the hardest possible way. Never been in a negative balance and only had a maximum of 2 non english/irish players and 1 non european.

My team for the last 8 games will be played by these. Listed as first prioritys first.

Keeper: Aaron Ramsdale, Caiomhin Kelleher, Anthony Patterson

Right Back: Matthew Gibbins(New gen), Kyle Walker-Peters

Left Back: Domagoj Bradaric, Jake Vokins

Centre Back: Tosin Adarabioyo, Jake Clarke-Salter, John Egan

Defensive Midfielder: George Dobson, James Garner

Centre Midfielder: Jordan Henderson, Josh Dasilva, Oliver Skipp

Right Offensive Midfielder: Patrick Roberts, Karamoko Dembele

Left Offensive Midfielder: Dwight McNeil, Angel Gomes

Striker: Mateo Depoorter(New gen), Mason Greenwood, Ben Woodburn

So to the end of the season, i have just 2 players in my squad who isn't from England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales or Scotland.

My entire staff from first team to Under18, is all British/Irish and my bank balance is on 90 mil £ AND
my wage budget is the 14th lowest in the league at 60 mil £ pr year. Just 100.000£ more than number 17. and 4 times as low as Liverpool.

Now i'm of to knock down the last 8 games and hopefully, lift the trophy!
Of course, I didn't win all the games, so now I have to hope that Tottenham will help me.

One game left in the league and the standing is like this:

1. Man United - 87 points +57
2. Sunderland - 86 points +60
3. Arsenal - 85 points +52
4. Chelsea - 83 points +34
5. Liverpool - 81 point +60

So i'm secure on top 3. And the last games for the top 3 is:

Sunderland - Aston Villa (20 and relegated)
Tottenham(7th and can't be higher or lower) - Man United
Arsenal - West Ham(13)

Well, lets see whats happening.
And i lost of course. And Man U also lost, so just a stupid draw, and it had been the end.

I hate this stupid game.
Dang, Henrik. I thought you had this. Sorry, man.
It's finally over. 9 season what was it took me, to finally beat this challenge.

Finished 5th in the league.

Won the Carabao Cup

And then, I won the Europa League against Liverpool. Thank god.
Woo-Hoo! Right on, Henrik! Way to go! Bummer it took so long but you turned them into a consistently good team which is tough to do.

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