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when will GenieScout11 come out??

Started on 29 October 2010 by bang411
Latest Reply on 8 December 2010 by Stam
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I've just read through this topic to get the latest news about Genie Scout, and I noticed the discussions about releasing Genie Scout as open source, so that other developers can help with the work on this great tool.

I actually think that Genie has to release his scout as open source, the reson for this is that the original CM Scout by Nygreen, which Genie Scout is based on, was released under a GPL license, as can be seen here.

The way I understand the GPL license it means that if you take the source code from a GPL application, like CM Scout, add your own additional features and release a new application, like Genie Scout, then you also have to release your modified source code. If you don't do this then you are actually breaking the terms of the GPL license, and can in fact risk a lawsuit.

Obviously by now Genie Scout is very very different from the original CM Scout that it was based on, because of all the changes that Genie has made. But I don't think this makes any difference when the original was released under the GPL license, it just means that Genie should have been releasing the source code for every version of Genie Scout.

I don't think that Genie will get sued, in fact I think it would have to be Nygreen suing him, so Genie will never be forced to release the source code, and that wouldn't be fair anyway, considering the amount of work he has put into this tool for the community.

I just thought I would post this here to point out that it seems Nygreen released the source code for CM Scout to the community with the intent that the community could add extra features and share these new features with the rest of the community. Genie did add a lot of extra features and released Genie Scout to the community, but he hasn't allowed the community to add to his work like Nygreen did, and I think this is a real shame.
Hey there prendy,nice post.
But i just have to say my point of view of it:
I agree with you but there is a problem trying to force Genie to release the code,he has done a quite large job with the tool and it would be just unfair.

We do hope everyday to hear from Eugene about the tool but still nothing.
Let me add a little detail to the mix... Nygreen released his code open source because he was unable to keep working on it since SI hired him and he's now on their payroll.

I'm not sure how much of Nygreen's code is used in Genie by now, but I'm guessing that if Eugene feels he's unable to work on his program anymore, he would release his code open source. If I would have been him, I'd still consider whether to release it or not, after reading so many ungrateful comments.

Does he owe anything to the community? I'd say no, but he owes it to himself to deliver what he confirmed he would. I should probably be making a new 'official' announcement that Genie Scout 11 will not be released and get over with it. And if Eugene decides to email me about it, I'd just release it out of the blue without prior notice or any expectations; this should perhaps put all pressure off him.
I find it disappointing the fact it hasn't come out yet, but he does it out of the kindness of his own heart and for the love of the program and football manager. As has been mentioned before he doesn't make that much money from the utility so I don't think he would oppose to releasing the code for others to carry on this great program.

I think that the lack of response or news of genie is down to life, it must take a whole lot of time to make and I guess he just hasn't had time or something important has happened. I'm expecting it after christmas, must not give up hope eh?
Just came across a preview from the new Genie Scout and it will be a shame if it won't be released.I guess if he had released the picture so he been working on it.
After all that is his decision and we all will respect it.
News from Genie (from FM Ukraine)(translated by Google translate):

Well, I really have nothing to add. I can not even promise that will be released in 2 months. I do not want to be selfish, but I'm for him money is not paid (not counting the $ 5.10 per month = donate). In contrast to the work for which complete obstruction at least until the end of the year. Dam - is when you come to work every day around 8:30-10:00 + Saturday workday. That if no family ... I even English Cruz for a couple of months had to be abandoned.
I can only say that he is almost ready. Should be about 2 or 3 days of pure time naispravlenie couple of bugs and adding one more interesting features. So, will be done when it's done. Sorry
Let's make it short - It wont be out ;)
# stam : Let me add a little detail to the mix... Nygreen released his code open source because he was unable to keep working on it since SI hired him and he's now on their payroll.

I'm not sure how much of Nygreen's code is used in Genie by now, but I'm guessing that if Eugene feels he's unable to work on his program anymore, he would release his code open source. If I would have been him, I'd still consider whether to release it or not, after reading so many ungrateful comments.

Does he owe anything to the community? I'd say no, but he owes it to himself to deliver what he confirmed he would. I should probably be making a new 'official' announcement that Genie Scout 11 will not be released and get over with it. And if Eugene decides to email me about it, I'd just release it out of the blue without prior notice or any expectations; this should perhaps put all pressure off him.


please do it so this doubtful ''release dates'' rumors can come to an end.and add this to mail you are going to send genie:

''genie, i swear i don't want this scout anymore. i gave up. just tell everybody that you won't release scout 11. it will be much better than this uncertainity.

FM addicts ''
# HSAjax : News from Genie (from FM Ukraine)(translated by Google translate):

Well, I really have nothing to add. I can not even promise that will be released in 2 months. I do not want to be selfish, but I'm for him money is not paid (not counting the $ 5.10 per month = donate). In contrast to the work for which complete obstruction at least until the end of the year. Dam - is when you come to work every day around 8:30-10:00 + Saturday workday. That if no family ... I even English Cruz for a couple of months had to be abandoned.
I can only say that he is almost ready. Should be about 2 or 3 days of pure time naispravlenie couple of bugs and adding one more interesting features. So, will be done when it's done. Sorry

Finally! Some news :)
Announcement will follow shortly. I can only say one thing... it's unacceptable to see a post on a Ukrainian forum and not receiving an email from him myself. Anyway, this topic is being locked down, and any new topics about it will be deleted on sight.
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