the NEW when will GenieScout 11 come out?

macdab55 and Evo we saying the same thing menz! @goldtronjon i can't talk with a user having 7/7 posts blaming and speaking with irony to stam or whatever.. you don't know anything about us so please keep it low!

I agree, people play how they want to play, some enjoy the benefits of using genie scout (like me) and some like just finding players themselves, @seph its not for others to tell people how to play so forgive my sarcasm, and just because I don't have much posts here having recently joined doesn't mean I'm not allowed an opinion on the game.

No one is telling you how to play the game just saying that the game can be more fun without genie.

@goldtronjon Since you started this topic you haven't stated any opinions about genie scout but have seem more focused on winding stam up, he locked the previous topic because people kept repeating posts and making stupid and insulting comments and you seem like your doing the same thing.

If you want to talk about about genie scout talk about it, just say something new and positive without the sarcasm.

@evo When have I tried to wind up stam? and why would I do that? Are you referring to the 'dad' joke at the start?

Just seemed to me like you were been disrespectful, if that wasn't your intention then I apologize. Now lets keep comments on this topic actually about genie scout.

What really pushes me into using FM scout, is the fact that the CPU's buying players based on the hidden fields, thus having an advantage against me, which isn't fair. Sure winning against it feels great, after all "I kicked ur ass with players whom I don't even know the potential ability" feels good, but still, seeing Real Madrid or United getting some hungarian regen, with notes from 7 to 11, to see him become the next Puskas. Now what ?

And for those who claim that seeing the characteristics supplied by the game is enough, I would like to remind them how much players with 20 in finishing, flair, and off the ball winds up with 3 goals in 30 games (well placed and with a good tactic) while some other player with lower stats would score 30 goals. The answer being in a hidden attribute called "Potential rating scout" (or at least hidden , it should be represented by the stars supplied by these *incompetent* scouts).

No really, I'm tired of bad signings. I just spend my whole transfer fees on a striker, which by notes is a god, but the pitch tells me another story ...

Now, don't get me wrong, I get a very joyful sensation when I bought Villar from Recreativo reserves for 12k € then getting him to score 27 goals in the league, getting his value up to 1.9M € and PSV scouting him.

I get even proud when I score a regen for 50K € then sell him for 50 M€. All of this thanks to Genie scout, where my chances to achieve this whithout the tool drops from 95% to almost 1%.

My take about this, and I've played FM long enough : stats and in-game statistics aren't sufficient to achieve success, the CPU knows stuff that I don't, that alone brings me to FM Genie Scout. Period.

I have answers! To your first point, you can too create a global scout network (with signing scouts from different nationalities or afilliating etc.) and sign as many regen-wonderkids you want.. You prefer Genie Scout because it's faster but that is also cheat in my opinion! Real and United does that to keep being cοmpetitive..

I agree that stats are not always accurate, however i ve seen godlike players with 80% and above shooting outside the stadium! When you sign a player is the only way to find out if he is precise in scoring! (Same with GK,DC,Wingers etc.)

I will remind you that Football Manager is an emulation game and emulation games are based in the part of life! Having that in mind, Owen was a terrible signing for Real, Shevchenko for Chelsea, Aquilani for Liverpool, Quaresma for Inter etc. (in real life) Finally who quarrantees results? There's always the possibility of failure and risk..

About Villar, every new game/database is different! In one game you will find Jermaine Jenas listed with low stats and in the other, importand player with nice stats! I signed Kevin (a 16y old wonderkid) with 30K and in another game Barca spent 7M.. Anything is possible!

# Seph : I have answers! To your first point, you can too create a global scout network (with signing scouts from different nationalities or afilliating etc.) and sign as many regen-wonderkids you want..

Sorry, didn't work for me, I always tried to make scouts vs. Genie Scouts challenges with worldwide scouts, and the scouts got it all wrong with players just below my expectations. In fact, I'm more accurate when using Genie scout, which is kind of obvious. Why would I miss such an accuracy ?

# Seph : I agree that stats are not always accurate, however i ve seen godlike players with 80% and above shooting outside the stadium! When you sign a player is the only way to find out if he is precise in scoring! (Same with GK,DC,Wingers etc.)

... as I have seen recommended players shooting outside of the stadium, OFTEN. But overall, I agree with you on this point. I just would like to know that even if that player failed, that wasn't my fault. Without scout, we can say that I can loose a title or two because of my *incompetent* in-game scouts. Cause I trusted them. Now, if a genie found player misses, I am the one and ONLY ONE to blame.

# Seph : I will remind you that Football Manager is an emulation game and emulation games are based in the part of life! Having that in mind, Owen was a terrible signing for Real, Shevchenko for Chelsea, Aquilani for Liverpool, Quaresma for Inter etc. (in real life) Finally who quarrantees results? There's always the possibility of failure..

Completely agree with you on that. But as stated above, I just want to make sure I am THE ONLY ONE to blame when I suck up at signing player, not just because a scout advised me some shit. Now if FM is an emulation of reality, I would like to have the emulation of "kicking the ass of that incompetent scout"

# Seph : About Villar, every new game/database is different! In one game you will find Jermaine Jenas listed with low stats and in the other, importand player with nice stats! I signed Kevin (a 16y old wonderkid) with 30K and in another game Barca spent 7M.. Anything is possible!

That database change was a little pointless to me. Sure it would create different games and stories, but SI should have made the choice between a 'standard' DB and a 'changing' one. Would've scored for the second anyway, but I think that for newbies who are adivsed players to buy, the possibility to go for wonderkids advised in this site for instance withtout having to check if they really ARE wonderkids is surely appreciated (and again, Genie Scout proves his value here).

And in a world where, to quote you, Anything is possible, having a tool that clearly states about a geniune player's value is one of the most precious things you can have.

I'd rather say it's a personnality issue, some people just want to get the best of the tools, be sure about what they can have and how to obtain them, while other like the fact that there are things they cannot control, they like that "randomness" the game has in singing players. That randomness brang me to total failure. And by total failure, I mean missing the UEFA with a freshly promoted club. (Yeah, yeah, Genie pinched up my standrads ...)

Just to let everyone know I finally received an email update from Eugene...

In a nutshell he says that even though he can't make any new promises he won't be able to keep, he guarantees Genie Scout 11 will be released.

But like I said in the news, we won't see it before 2011 kicks in because his work schedule is full until holidays begin.

Okay man i understand your thoughts, however i see it more emotionally! If it's sooo necessary to win or succeed then keep this system! You can also do the "save & load" trick to avoid defeats and the trick to gain transfer funds as well!

All these years i've learnt to try and rise small reputation teams before i manage that, i lose, i lose, i lose and fail in transfers and when i get the result i want, i sit back and relax and be proud of myself.. Otherwise Arsen Wenger would have given up!

until genie scout, sign scouts whos ability to judge player potential is at least 16 or 17 out of 20 and trust them, i'm playing with Real Madrid now and with my scouts ability, i bought real bargains and now my U19 squad is full of young talent,next season some of them will play in the senior squad.

by the way i think eugene is going to start working on genie scout again in christmas i wish we'll start downloading it by early march.

Thanks stam, at least we know for certain that this gem won't come out until january, or maybe more ...

Now, SI should really consider making the FM scout as an almost official release for the football manager series, more & more people are just using the tool, I think it's time for Eugene to get at least the same amount of consideration Nygreen had, I'm not saying that they should hire him, but hey, hasn't any guy from SI made a feedback about Genie Scout ? What do they think about it ? Maybe they've got issues with saying that somebody actually --understood-- the structure of their player database ...

Anyway, I think, with all respect due (and stam can surely see that this thread is drastically more into clean conversation than anything else ), that everybody should stick to his opinion about the tool. Some people even just use it just to check if they made a good deal AFTER they bought the player, some people just want it for everything scout related.

Hey, I even remember the genie.fm site with comments "pleeeeaaase, come ouuuut" and stuff like that. Anyway, I can say that I did a good job without the scout :P, it sure takes me longer to achieve success, but hey, I still get angry when I see teams buying wonderkids I missed ...

Don't expect SI to do anything about it, unless threatening for a lawsuit in case Eugene starts selling a premium version instead of putting it up in a donation fashion.

Maybe you're unaware of how SI works and treats community members and community devs, I'll try to unveil some aspects of that shadowy corner on a coming soon column of bitter FM truths.

Well, genie.fm closed down for a couple of reasons. While Eugene said it closed down after a failure of the server and total loss of data, I believe the main reasons were:

- Disappointed from SI blackmailing him when he tried to 'sell' a premium version... and while refunding he lost a good bunch of money through PayPal fees

- Couldn't be bothered to deal with all those idiots writing comments, and his free time was in the process of being reduced (family reasons)

Looking forward to the Genie coming out in the New Year.
If it doesn't then I will continue using FMRTE, although it cannot match the Genie.
Anyway, thanks to the developers for taking the time and making all these add-on tools available FREE-OF-COST.

# bl007 :FREE-OF-COST.

You're always free to donate.